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This is a discussion on Spread Betting within the Spread Betting & CFDs forums, part of the Commercial category; Hello everyone at T2W, I am presently writing a book on the world of Financial spread Betting. I would very .
2) What sort of Markets you Trade and why.
3) The type of trading stlye you use, day, position, swing etc.
4) Your degree of success or not.
5) General moans or praise.
The world of spread betting in the financial markets is increasing massively and a whole new type of trader is evolving. We want to find out more about these traders and what they trade in some detail. We feel that spread betting is an area of trading which is becoming more serious and finding out who are best firms etc is important.
Also opening an account and using one is very easy. A futures account is not easy and requires ЈЈЈs deposits. And the contract size is big while with sbs you can start small.. 1p with Finspreads for example.
NAZ. nothing would give me greater pleasure than to be able to trade the DOW on L2. Using SB's we have to sufer not only the 6 point spread ( twice) but also the bias- which can be anything from 0 to 20 in extreme cases. Having said that, ther are a number of us( not me, particularly) that are quite good at anticipating the spread reversals and can adn do get good results. This requires a superb grasp of TA and in particular , the nuances of the DOW. Longer term moves, that some of us advocate, tend to erase the effects of the spread and bias, looking at taking 100-150 point rallies. Even so, there is the slice that goes to the SB co. If you could point me, and the others, in the direction of DOW direct access trading, we'd be rich very quick. Of that I am sure.
The other point has already been made. There are those people, that maybe have limited funds, and can open a Fins account for Ј100 and get going. A 10 p stake on a longer term rally can return you 10% in a very short time ( couple of hours). Getting it wrong at that level of exposure IS, without doubt, dangerous and very damaging. I know a stake of 1p is just so rediculous, it's laughable, BUT, for ervery 100 point rally, or group of trades, that's still 1% up. Do that every day, and it's a tidy little earner. You have to take the viewpoint that experience is being gained, and look at it from the % returns, or points gained. The natural progression over time is that one increases one's stake. and one day it may be Ј10 a point that you are playing with. Sounds too easy and silly? well. You could go and get a futures account open with Ј25K and literally lose your shirt. In as much as every one has their trading style that they are happy with and make a profit with, so there are those that are happy with using Fins to trade. One can't knock it, it's grossly short sighted. It's also TAX FREE and what you get , you keep. Im sure that those that see the light, by whatever means, and progress to L2 Nasdaq trading, may well wonder how on earth they dealt with the likes of Fins. Some may try L2 and decide it's far too hecktick to manage.
We in the US room do ok spreadbetting. I suspect that we would all do better if there were an alternate platform and who knows, in the fullness of time, one may appear. In the meantime, we curse and swear and get on with it, taking the hits and enjoying the big ones. If spreadbetting was such a bad deal, no one in the US room would use them. I look at it this way. A 6 point spread in 9K/10K is thin. Far far better than the four points offered for COMPX.
I concede too, that there are superb opportunities trading US stocks, with far greater volatility and trading ranges. This is not for me, I'm afraid. But it is the grail for people like yourself and "Spike". It really is each "each to their own".
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Y esterday I had an email from a prospective client of my course asking me if I recommended opening both a real brokerage account and a Spread Bet account at the same time. The reasoning behind this idea was to take advantage of both the level of real market information offered by the broker, and the tax free profits promised by the spread betting outfit.
Before getting to my response, we need to take a little aside here and explain the concept of financial spread betting for those who perhaps have not come accross it. The idea is in fact very simple. A spread betting company, such as CMC or E*Trade to name a couple of well known businesses, offer their own set of derivative products based on real financial instruments. These products are priced based on the market price of the underlying instrument.
These derivative products are to all intents and purposes, exactly the same as CFDs (Contracts For Difference), which more people are probably familiar with. So for example, a spread betting company might offer an instrument which they call "IBM", which (more or less) mirrors the stock price of IBM. When you buy and sell this product, you are not buying shares in IBM itself, but you still profit from the price movement of IBM stock. Such products are usually offered for common shares, stock indices (Dow, S&P, FTSE etc), futures, and currencies. The difference between a CFD derivative and a Spread Bet product, is simply the name. By calling the product a Spread Bet, under UK tax law, any profits gained from trading it are free of tax. This is why the product is much more well known in the UK than the US, where Spread Betting is not legal.
So, back to the question posed, and my response. Whilst I think CFDs and Spread Betting offer an excellent way into the markets for those who don't have the means to open a real brokerage account, I would not recommend them to anyone who can open a "proper" account. There are two reasons for this.
The first reason is down to the fact that the Spread Bet companies make their own prices. Rememember, if you trade with them, you are trading their own proprietry derivative product, not the actual underlying share. Therefore you cannot accurately use real-market data to make trading decisions about a Spread Bet derivative. Logically, it is in the Spread Bet companies interest that they make money, which generally involves you losing it. That is an over-generalization, and of course these outfits hedge their positions in the real market so they will make money whatever the outcome of your trade. But for the purposes of this article, it is enough to understand that a Spread Betting company is under no obligation to accurately follow the underlying price in real time. The implications are fairly self explanatory!
The second reason is quite simple. Tax-Free profits are great in theory, but in order for your profit to be tax-free, you need to actually make a profit. I know that's an obvious thing to say, but what may not be so obvious is that due to the limitations of spread betting products already mentioned, plus other limitations such as larger spread, smaller choice of trading products, and so on, making a profit with the Spread Bet companies is more difficult than in the real market.
As I said earlier, I have no hesitation recommending Spread Betting to those who may not have the capital required to open a brokerage account. But I would not recommend it purely for the purposes of avoiding tax. You can make more money by trading the real market and paying tax on those profits, than by trading a Spread Bet account tax free.
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What exactly is spread betting and how these trade ways different example from trading? As spread betting is used in practice and what there is here noted. We supply a lot of interesting facts about the spread betting trading.The most important thing about our spread betting at a glance:
Spread betting means translated into German «wagering on the difference» and referred in particular CFD trading and forex trading .»Spread» means «difference» or «difference». In CFD and forex trading is set to price changes (differences). Here dealers can both rising and falling markets benefit and in contrast to buying a stock, the trader does not own the underlying traded — what counts when spread betting, is the price movement.
Characteristic of spread betting are great leverage, transparent contracts and low cost. The high degree of leverage resulting from the measured on the moving market volume low use of the dealer. In order to trade a block of shares in the market value of 10,000 euros, with a spread betting broker a use of a maximum of 1,000 euros is usually required.
Conclusion: The term spread betting roughly translated means «betting on the difference». This also describes the operation of this nature to trade. When spread betting this is what the price of an underlying security to speculate. Among the features of this trading way include the leverage, transparency in contracts and relatively low stakes.2.) Practical example from the world of spread trading
1,000 shares with a market value of EUR 100,000 each traded, traders must, unlike the acquisition of the shares is not the entire purchase price, running but only a fraction of it (10 percent margin, most spread betting broker demand for blue chips). Margin serves as collateral for potential losses. By contract, the trader will participate fully to the absolute price movements of the underlying.Leverage corresponds to the reciprocal of the initial margin (10 percent margin = 0.1 = 10 times leverage). Spread betting is strongly reminiscent of the futures trading. In fact, many brokers derive a significant portion of their contracts of futures from.
Conclusion: When spread betting traders must not raise the total value of a position but deposit only a fraction as collateral. Despite the low use of the Trader participates fully from the performance of the underlying position. Spread betting is very similar in approach to futures trading.3.) When forex trading spread betting can be useful
In practice, brokers cover their positions in spread betting trade at least partly through swaps with other financial market participants. In addition, an internal allocation of opposing positions takes place. Interest rate spreads financing credits for short positions fall significantly smaller than the loads for long positions. The aforementioned spread betting definition also applies to forex trading, even if the connections are somewhat less obvious there. Many forex brokers wrap trade with their customers legally and technically considered over contracts for difference from. The operation is the same: With a long position in a stock CFD put traders that the share exchange ratio / «exchange rate» enhances and later for X shares a large sum of money is paid in the market as at the opening of the position. In a long position in the EUR / USD put traders that later for X units Euro more units USD to be paid on the market, so the euro appreciates.
Conclusion: The definition of spread betting also applies to trading currency pairs even though most brokers trading technically considered realized on contracts for difference.4.) Conclusion: When it comes to spread betting exchange difference transactions Related Articles How to download Plus500 app in England? Plus500: Up to 7025.00 euros with Bonus Code Delete Plus500 account? We show how it is possible safely Check Also We provide the FXCM Trading Station
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